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Thread: Valance on EBAY
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straightrepu
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posted December 10, 2003 10:16 AM |
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Valance on EBAY
Its back, the valance panel from the san francisco bay area is back. I`m sure its the same guy that was shill bidding his own auction against kansei rotary earlier this year. This seller has been registered since may 03. Our brother NWACO is going up against rotarydude for this one.
Good luck Ken.
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woooody
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posted December 10, 2003 10:45 AM |
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If you really want to win an auction on ebay, may I suggest using one of the auction sniping services? Specifically auctionsniper.com --- It will place the bid for you with less than 10 seconds to go (what ever time you choose).
Too many times (like with the grill emblem) two bidders spend the auction going back and forth with each other all week. Patience says, determine a price that you want, set that in the sniper (say $250), bid half in ebay (125) so that there is some movement so that the auction lister sees that there is interest, but don't get into a bidding war.
As a lister myself, I love to see bidding wars, but as I buyer, I limit myself to using the sniping services. And if I really want that piece, I crank up my bid.
woooody (ebay rating 236 and climbing) :)
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straightrepu
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posted December 10, 2003 11:04 AM |
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sniping
I`ve been "outsniped" in the past, there are times when it is appropiate to use a big stick. The auction for the emblem was over in the first five days, no one bothered to try sniping at the end.
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brad
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posted December 10, 2003 01:31 PM |
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What does everyone think
that new valance is really worth?
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81 Rx-7 racecar. 12a J-
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Klaus43
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posted December 10, 2003 04:06 PM |
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About half as much
as it'll likely auction for. And personally, I'll encourage y'all to boycott this you-know-what on principle alone, as I will. Now, if you really want the valance, you gotta ask yourself, how much am I prepared to get screwed for? It's buyer beware if this is who we think it is. Good luck!
I'd take the trip to go take it away from him, personally, before I gave him one more red cent.
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wankel_dreams
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posted December 10, 2003 04:20 PM |
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http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6763&item=2447486112
please post at least the auction number if you mention something on ebay. Then everyone else doesn't have to search for 10 minutes to find it.
Yes that is the same exact valance. I saved the previous auction on my computer. the first photo is new, but the sceond shot of the label is the EXACT same photo he ran before.
I looked back through the past sales and didn't see any repeat names in the bidders list, so hopefully the seller behaves himself this time!
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nwaco
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posted December 10, 2003 04:37 PM |
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So you all think its the same guy?
I didn't think of that, or just forgot about that one. Is this a guess, or has anyone any facts? That other guy was banned, reappeared, banned again, and then what? If it is "him", did he really make it back to a 64 feedback so soon? Is this being sold by a friend? Does anyone have any real facts? If this is the guy who has soiled a Bro, I will walk away. But I would like more than a guess.
I did bid on the thing as I was first there and I couldn't help it (counseling has failed to help), and with several trucks in work, I could use another. I do have the luxury of having one in my possession which makes walking away that much easier.
I assume "Rotarydude" is prepared to pay for this part, and I also assume he is reading this post as well, but I too have the capability to secure it, not that I actually will act on it. Even if I got it, I don't know that I could actually mount it on a truck, cause I couldn't risk loosing it. It's not the value or cost of it, it is the difficulty in replacing it that bothers me. With that said, why not just fab copies of the one I have? At least then others could share in that.
I am undecided at this point. As much as I can walk from an emblem, I have a soft spot for valances.
Oh,....What to do......
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straightrepu
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posted December 10, 2003 04:49 PM |
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Sorry for not posting
the ebay item #, I must have been thinking about my NEW grille emblem.
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Klaus43
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posted December 10, 2003 11:48 PM |
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Yep, dis da one...
Seems likely a pal is doing the auctioning for Mr. 'Ka-shill-boy'... might even make it more likely that the high bidder actually recieves the piece... or not. Who knows? All I know is, certain data on the sticker in the pic corresponds to data on stickers on certain other parts in my posession, and I know precisely where they came from.
Try to imagine, just for a moment, a 'rotorhead' who cares so little for old rotorcars and trucks that he's actually willing to auction off such an item as this valance--a score most of us would kill for--and ask yourself, just what kind of rotorposer could this person be?
If it sounds too good to be true, it usually is...
If you're still uncertain, go re-read Kansei's posts of the enlightening exchange he had with this individual... and draw your own conclusions.
BTW, to more completely address the previous question of 'actual' worth--and this is coming from someone who wouldn't bid more than $50 on an emblem, even though I'll say a NOS one could be 'worth' $100--I'll just go 'on record' here to say that in my estimation, a valance such as this is 'worth' about $250... no matter how much certain wealthy, crazed and obsessed persons are willing to bid. My 2 cents.
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Klaus43
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posted December 11, 2003 12:03 AM |
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Correction:
Upon examining this sellers 'other auctions' and finding a Yamaha R-1 'hugger', not to mention in a pic showing us a bit of his white 'beemer', out on the street in front of his buddy's house where he rooms, I gotta say, this is the SAME seller as before. He had such a bike when we met, nevermind that it had no license plate...
Also note that this seller had two bid retractions in the last six months... and the number of feedbacks from him buying, as vs. from him selling... check it out!
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wankel_dreams
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posted December 11, 2003 07:51 PM |
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... and the number of feedbacks from him buying, as vs. from him selling...
I did notice that. But my Ebay rep is the same way, about 90% buying. Do you think its his room-mate's account?
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brad
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posted December 11, 2003 09:04 PM |
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keep in mind...
Once the fiberglass reproduction valance is being sold the cost of a new old stock metal one would effectively go down since it's no longer the only way to get one . . . . . . . . .
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Klaus43
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posted December 12, 2003 12:15 PM |
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Good point, Brad!
IMHO--and I 'could' be mistaken--but my best guess is that we are seeing the exact same piece, from the exact same individual, with a new name/user ID/etc. Betcha that beemer is 'his' car, too--no matter whether or not he has ANY paperwork for it with his name anywhere near it, or for that matter, a legit license or registration...
Hope for the best, expect the worst... Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me!
It's just a rare collector's item (wall art) anyway...
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scalliwag
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posted December 13, 2003 07:44 AM |
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I know I'm the new kid on the block so I hope no one jumps my ass for saying this but why is it taking so long to get a fiberglass valance made?
Surely a good fiberglass guy could have a mold made in a week. This is not a dig at whoever is making this but they must have this WAY down on their "to-do" list.
I'm disappointed because I could not find a one piece fiberglass frontend after I was told (not by a forum member) that they were out there.
Hell I can't even find a fiberglass fender. When I lived in the LA area when I was a kid my Dad was a hotrod fanatic. He used to take me to all the shops and peoples backyard shops of different old schoolers that collectively could make anything. He had a friend that made T-bucket bodies and misc hoods, fenders, tailgates. He made his molds out of fiberglass. I wish I had got to see him make one but I doubt I would have remembered the details anyway. I just remember itching alot after we would go there ;)(not really)
With the low production on the repu's I can see why people are not lining up to make repu stuff but if someone is serious about actually knocking off some parts it should come along a lot faster or maybe we should look into another source to get this done? Asking for a frontend is out of the question if you can't even get a valance done.
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nwaco
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posted December 13, 2003 05:41 PM |
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Please, Give me a break, Scalliwag........
talk is cheap....Please show us how it is done.
Make something and offer it to others.
The bottom line is, we are a few people, with a common interest. We have lives, jobs, schedules, other issues to deal with and it is a BIG issue to invest several hundred dollars in an endevour to only have "hope" that: a.) It will be of sufficient quality that others will appreciate. b.) It is something that others will want. c.) It is something that others will buy with money to make a decent return on your money. and d.) it in the end will be worth our precious time.
So, with all due respect, please show us what you mean by putting your time and money where your mouth is.
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brad
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posted December 13, 2003 07:05 PM |
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I agree with nwaco!
Show us how to do it or move on. I bet we all would like some fiberglass replica fenders, a fiberglass front grille, or a front grille rotor embelm replica so pick a project.
The person who has decided to have the fiberglass valance made is EXTREMELY busy running his own shop. The mold should be done next week
Relax
Brad
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rdahm
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posted December 13, 2003 08:27 PM |
Edited By: rdahm on 13 Dec 2003 20:28
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Hey I hope i can help lower the individual cost of that valance. I want one too! Mine is long expired so whoever is making them, I will gladly do what i can to help.
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scalliwag
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posted December 13, 2003 08:49 PM |
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quote:
talk is cheap....Please show us how it is done.
Make something and offer it to others.
The bottom line is, we are a few people, with a common interest. We have lives, jobs, schedules, other issues to deal with and it is a BIG issue to invest several hundred dollars in an endevour to only have "hope" that: a.) It will be of sufficient quality that others will appreciate. b.) It is something that others will want. c.) It is something that others will buy with money to make a decent return on your money. and d.) it in the end will be worth our precious time.
So, with all due respect, please show us what you mean by putting your time and money where your mouth is.
I guess if anybody here would do it it would probably be me. I too have a life, job, schedule, other issues to deal with and have still found time to take on some projects that I will list. Here I have had a repu all of 3 weeks and I would expect at least one hobbyist out there in the 29 years the truck has been around to do something in all that time.
Even with the projects I am listing I completely restored a butt-ass ugly 10th anniversary RX-7 in 33 days. It is the featured car on the RX-7 club forum rx7club.com and looks better than most the cars/trucks most people that "talk" about it all the time and had their cars for years.
I made peripheral port housings using a cheap lathe and a holesaw in Ken Scheepers NHRA All-Import that he won a "few" races last season with. This thread started with me trying to get advice on how to make them and I had to come up with a way myself.
http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=144200
When no one seemed to have something around here for rolling beads on intercooler pipe
http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=231579
Or removing and installing rotor and main bearings without a press
http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=215408
Removing exhaust ports
http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=123225
and some of the projects that have given me hell
http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=242784
http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=111142
and learning how to powder coat and flame spray ceramic coatings
http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=235763
http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=240223
Reproducing RX7 convertible seat covers then did TII's afterwards
http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=158562
Like you said "So, with all due respect, please show us what you mean by putting your time and money where your mouth is."
I posted all that to show that it is not often anyone ever accuses me of being lax in those departments and I think too many people do a helluva lot of yakking about "wanting" something for no one to have actually done something about it.
Evidently I guess I just expected too much especially after being led to believe fiberglass components had been done ..... silly lazy @$$ me I guess :(
Looks like something to add to my list so I don't get beat on. ;)
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nwaco
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posted December 14, 2003 03:40 AM |
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Scalliwag...Good Job on your projects....
Welcome to the forum.
Now make that front end, a grill or a bumper.
I jumped you only for ragging on us for the valance. The biggest delay has been finding both someone WITH a straight valance, and willing or capable of making it.
You seem to be a man with talents we could use here. I looked over your stuff. You do good work and show creativity. I like it.
Welcome.
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scalliwag
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posted December 14, 2003 09:43 AM |
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quote:
Welcome to the forum.
Now make that front end, a grill or a bumper.
I jumped you only for ragging on us for the valance. The biggest delay has been finding both someone WITH a straight valance, and willing or capable of making it.
You seem to be a man with talents we could use here. I looked over your stuff. You do good work and show creativity. I like it.
Welcome.
Thanks. I didn't mean to come across as ragging you guys. It was more of a frustration that no one has ever produced or sourced this in all these years.
I searched again and realized this valance probably couldn't have ended up with somone more busy for this project. I had forgot during my original search on "fiberglass" that it was Pineapple doing this. The original thread was someone taking a valance to a glass guy in Vegas and waiting 3 months and ended up with nothing.
I can't believe Rob even touched this with all he does. He's like Paul Yaw, David Atkins, and some of the other rotary overachievers that do not have enough time in the day to keep up with their own ideas and projects.
I don't know Rob personally but I know enough about him and his impressive reputation to know he is extremely skillful, resourceful, and hands on kind of guy.
His little 6 port sleeves are slick too.
In this economy I would think that there are a lot of fiberglass guys with too much time on their hands. I usually don't think in terms of outsourcing because I am just dumb enough to jump in over my head when it comes to these type of things. But if I was going to outsource I would be more inclined to finding someone with more time on their hands that specialize in fiberglass.
But I can see why if you could get Rob to take this on that you would do it because he gets things done and done right.
I was hoping after a few weeks of looking and getting the word out on a frontend that something would turn up. A valance is not going to do me much good unfortunately.
As a matter of fact the one I have is in excellent shape.
It's my right fender, bumper, right headlight bezel, right side of grill and the radiator support in the area behind the right headlight.
Since there does not appear to be a source for any fiberglass components I have to decide how I want to do this. I really don't do real well with waiting.
I would be more inclined to make separate components than a one piece.
So I guess whipping out the body hammers, spoons, and dollies and spending the time to try and work the fender out may be in my future.
I have done little fiberglass projects but nothing in a duplication type scenerio and even a complex shape for that matter.
So do I get a fiberglass guy or add this to my project list is what I have to decide. I am more prone to doing it myself because I have been wanting to work carbon fiber for a long time and this will put me in that direction.
I've already sourced carbon fiber and supplies on that a long time ago.
I have to look at my bumper and everything and see if there is any way to get things worked to where they could be used for molds.
This fiberglass project has to take a backseat to my mandrel pipe bender project in both funds and time. But it obviously gets put ahead of all the other things on the REPU. Arghhhhhh
I will start with the good parts I have; left fender, hood, and go from there. That way if I actually produce some parts someone out there may be in a position to let me "borrow" some parts for molds if I cannot get some of my parts worked. The bumper is my biggest concern.
I obviously came across much more critical early on and I'm sorry it was taken that way. That was not the intention. Hopefully I can come across more productive instead of critical in the future.
Sorry for the long rambling. I have a cold and Ms. Scalli won't let me go outside :(
Someone posted a link I saw and I found this page on the site http://www.fibreglast.com/printcontent.php?ContentID=171
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