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EricS


1st Gear
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posted December 31, 2007 09:12 AM

Pricing

May I suggest that we install some guidelines on this site for posting things for sale? I am seeing WAY too many disgruntled potential buyers and sellers on this site, which is building plenty of ill will. How about:

POST A PRICE! If yo will be happy with $5, say so. If it is worth more or less, who cares, you will probably sell your stuff. Also, the VALUE of our beloved vehicles will most likely go up, as the feaseability of restoration increases. Who wants to have to fight for every single part they need/want?

IF YOU WANT TO AUCTION YOUR GOODS, PUT IT UNDER AUCTION.
See above.


NEGOTIATE OFF-LINE! These threads are packed with people bickering back and forth that someone is financing their retirement with the sale of their stuff. So what?! This is America, that is the way we do it, anyway we can! If I want bookoo bux for my goods, so what? If you don't think my price is fair, make an offer, OFF-LINE, or ignore the post and move on.


DO NOT BERATE OTHERS FOR THEIR STATEMENTS, ASKING PRICES! If you can't say something nice and constructive, keep your mouth shut and walk away until you cool off. I hang out with people I can get along with, and if we can't get along, the community will fall apart, which I believe we are seeing. We are family, aren't we? Uncle So-and-So is a dick, but he is still my uncle and I love him for that!


EXPECT TO PAY SHIPPING if buying, and EXPECT TO SHIP, if selling. Kind of self explanatory. There are plenty of companies out there that make a living providing that service if a seller cannot! Sure it is expensive, but I would rather pay than not get parts at all.


Can't we have a moderator to police this potential policy?

Feel free to chime in, and we will see what sort of community we really have here. EricS

       
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posted December 31, 2007 10:36 AM

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I think you just volunteered! :)
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Hunter


Hauling
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posted January 01, 2008 02:07 PM

selling parts

I agree with 99% of what ya say. However I only afree that posting an asking price is necessary for commodity parts, ... e.g. parts that I have control over their replacement, i.e. .. I can procure MORE.

If I have a complete set of NOS windshield trim that I "might" part with, or the last remaining NOS hood ... etc., I am more comfortable with just hearing what buyers would like to offer, ( if I am in no hurry to sell ).

Of course, most of the REPU parts are NOT easily replaced / found and so .... I usually ask people to tell me, first, what they feel is a fair price. As you say ....... these offers should be sent to me offline. If they are too low I simply respond with sorry ... NOCANDO

Tis aggravating when I ask someone to send an email with a list of what they want and what they feel is a fair price. Almost without fail, the potential buyer will NOT state his buying price and say, "I have no idea what it is worth". Bull. These people are invariably just a waste of my time...

I too am sick of the bitching about asking prices etc.

just my 2 cents.

Bruce Toski
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Klaus44


Redlining
Posts: 365
posted January 02, 2008 01:02 AM
Edited By: Klaus44 on 2 Jan 2008 01:16

Oh Great!

So now we've got a noob dictating policy, (more or less)?

(Based at least in part on a certain other @*!# noob's unwillingness to downsize unsolicited pic's he disabled my inbox with ?)

What next? Gonna kick me out for speaking my mind? For not having a faster connection?

Give me a break!

Perhaps you should try Ebay. Post your link in the 'auctions' section, and be done with it. (Oh, wait: I'm addressing a *buyer*, aren't I... different game entirely!)

Hell, I've collected parts for the last 10 years, but I can't seem to get anyone serious enough to give a few hundred dollars for a project-grade REPU -- surprise! World's full of dreamers.

...of course, the rare finds (like an intact dash pad, or straight steel valance, or non-rusted battery box, etc., etc., aren't likely to be had for a song and dance...







       
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kansei


Redlining
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posted January 02, 2008 05:05 PM
Edited By: kansei on 2 Jan 2008 17:09

Eric- great idea....

...and in theory it should all work that way. The real problem I think happens more often than not on a forum or any typed correspondence (sticking up for ya, Klaus) is that it is nearly impossible to "read" people's responses and demeanor at the time they typed it. By that I mean when I read something I may think the person is being overly sarcastic or down right rude, when in fact they were being genuinely surprised, not rude at all, etc. I have had two people email me asking to buy parts and I too, understand where both sides Bruce is talking about are coming from. Heck, when I was selling my yellow '75 parts/project truck and had a Buy It Now price of $2500, I got ALOT of private emails through eBay and this forum by guys telling me I was nuts and that it was worth "maybe $300, tops". No problem, I just told them that my truck wasn't the one for them. But then in auctions, you still can't control how a seller will conduct themselves (people expect everything in the picture to come with the item, such as people emailing me asking if they bought my yellow truck, they also get the RX-7 parts cars in the background of the pictures, right?). Or having auctions repeatedly yanked at the last minute where you would've won.

I suppose we all learn as we go, and realize you just have to be as honest and forthcoming as possible and disclose everything, including all of your stipulations and conditions like others have already said.

I do have to say, though, years ago I thought Bruce was literally out of his mind. Sorry, Bruce. And although I don't agree with everything he may, such as "fishing" for a possible sale, I have started realizing that in my opinion (just opinion) these trucks and their associated parts are truly worth alot more than most folks seem to think (agreeing with Bruce, to an extent). The other frustration I think alot of us go through is that some people think things are worthless and should be super cheap for them to buy from you, but then when they go to sell something, it's worth tenfold. I run into that in the RE5 and other rotary world alot, not just Mazda stuff.

I suppose we aren't all ever going to agree on everything, but it does ruin things for everyone else when things escalate and no one wants to walk away. Once again, I think the most recent issue came down to one thing- the new guy didn't know Klaus, didn't know how he speaks, and what his personality/mannerisms are like. Having known Klaus for years, and even having had the opportunity to talk to him on the phone, I started reading the recent exchanges and didn't get very far before I said to myself "oh, sh*t. Here we go..."- all because I knew how Klaus meant things- and the new guy didn't. And he went on the offensive when if he knew Klaus at all, he wouldn't have.

Neal.

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davesrepu


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posted January 02, 2008 07:47 PM

Well said Neal.

       
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EricS


1st Gear
Posts: 48
posted January 02, 2008 09:51 PM

I am glad we all seem to agree!

Hunter, from what I have observed on other forums, if a seller is not firm on their price, an "OBO" usually follows the price. Nothing wrong with shooting for the stars and settling for the Moon. Also, many times it is VERY difficult to put a value on a part. We should throw a price out there anyway. Maybe people are not comfortable confessing that they were not prepared to pay so much. Help them grow. Why are they bad for lowballing (purposefully or not) but the seller isn't for not throwing a price out?

Klaus, because I have very few posts somehow makes me a "noob"? FYI, this is not my first REPU nor the only forum I subscribe to. Because of my recent acquisition I am more active. I have been in the shadows for quite some time. I am not dictating a policy, just making suggestions to improve the site for ALL of US. I know that you are a great guy. I have read many of your postings, but as Neal mentioned, your way of saying things sometimes comes across as though you are poking the adressee in the forehead!

Neal, I think you and I are on exactly the same page. I understand there are some clueless individuals out there. And yes, our trucks are WAY under-valued. Don't know what Bozo wouldn't buy a project grade truck for $400 (assuming it is at least MOSTLY complete). Yea, "because I owned it, it has increased in value". Met that guy too!


It seems someone may have got their panties in a bunch when I started in on this topic, given the fact that I got my current project for "free". Truth is, the gentleman that "gave" it to me asked that I donate "$20 or $50 to the Humane Society". I gave $50 and put the receipt in his name. He interviewed me extensively to be sure the truck was going to be brought back to life and that I understood about what this truck "is, was, and can be". He did not want it to rot outside and recognized the fact that he may never get to it. Thankfully he didn't have "Too many project REPU's...". I went knocking on his door fully prepared to pay the going rate (read: whatever he wanted) for the truck back by the barn, yet he was gracious enough too pass it on so that it would have a good life.

Soooo, it sounds like we would all like to post prices on our parts, but it is the people that would rather throw a punch instead of just saying "no thanks" and walking away. Right?
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'74 REPU (long gone)

       
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Klaus44


Redlining
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posted January 04, 2008 11:18 AM
Edited By: Klaus44 on 4 Jan 2008 11:38

Some more 'poking with stick':

Your generous $50 donation to the Humane Society aside, Eric, that's still basically free -- as you yourself posted. So, why all this to-do on your part regarding pricing? Simple: Because it would be to *your* benefit. You could as easily have started a thread with what parts you were looking for, stating your median desired price point -- after doing enough research to know what certain parts are more or less worth, (since as you state, you've been 'in the shadows' here for some time... and this is not your first REPU.)

Yes, as a matter of fact a 'Noob' *IS*, by definition, someone new to posting on a given Forum. I, too, have had previous rotary cars and trucks in the past. I, too, have and still do participate in various other Forums -- on a variety of other topics. So what? Anywhere anyone is new to posting, they are a Noob. We were all noobs at some point. It's just a fact: there's always an established bunch of participants on any given Forum, and having someone new to participating come in and try to ram policy down everyone's throat isn't likely to go over without comment.

(My apologies for my 'only child' character flaws, and 'does not work/play well with others' style! It's true.) :(

FWIMBW: I, too, have long thought Bruce (Hunter) was "out of his mind" on pricing... but, I've accepted that that's just Bruce, and I respect what I consider to be the 'subtext' of what he's trying to do -- which, IMO, is to bring up the value of REPU's and REPU parts to be more on a par with other collector vehicles. Well and good! But, in the meantime... the reality of the sub-mint-NOS market continues to be whatever it is. Call me a realist, or whatever. I must say, after (finally, and unexpectedly) getting to meet Bruce in person on his recent *EPIC* cross-country REPU-retrieval road trip... he's a great guy, and I'm absolutely certain all of us would feel the same, were we to have the opportunity to meet.

Did I hear a *serious* offer of $400 for a 'project grade' REPU? Do I hear $500? Picked up and paid for in cash by 1/31/08?

"Thankfully"...? "Panties"??? "Willing to pay 'whatever he wanted'"?!? Yeah, right! If you believe that... That means you'll buy my trucks for whatever I want, and all I have to do is let you insult me? Try again --(and good luck!) The price just went up.

(Honda/Subaru/'SHO'? Yeah, we're here to try to help ya grow, Lol!) <Pokes with stick>

On second thought... 'No Thanks'.

       
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Hunter


Hauling
Posts: 178
posted January 05, 2008 09:46 AM

Out of my mind !?

I guess it is confirmed ... I am out of my mind.

The last time I was in this state, that I can remember, was more than 20 years ago when I fell asleep and hit a poor guy head on, corner to corner, on a back road in South Florida at about a combined speed of more than 100mph. Stuck in the emergency room in traction doped up on demerol and having all kinds of hallucinations. Thought someone abducted my body for a science project. Twas definitely "out of my mind" back then.

Maybe I lost my mind at age 7, when I stood up on my Huffy and backpedaled ( I am partially Polish ) and the bicycle stopped and I went forward and did a one point landing on my head.

Maybe it is all the chemicals and synthetic sugar I have ignorantly consumed throughout my life until I learned the benefits of eating organically.

In any case ... I stand by any and all comments I have made.
Thanks for the kind words Klaus. Wish I had money and room for all your stuff so I could help ya start cleaning up the yard on your nice little property in Oregon !

Bruce da moose aka Hunter


       
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