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bwaits


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posted July 17, 2005 12:44 PM

Project Thread - 74 Repu








I have been a rotorhead for almost 20 years. I grew up around the Rx2's and Rx3's my father raced and got hit by the rotary bug early in life.
My first car was a 1978 Rx3 SP. It was complete with the appearance package stripes, cow plow spoiler up front, rear deck lid spoiler and rear louvers. I should have never gotten rid of that car. I traded it off to a friend of the family for my second car, a 1973 Rx2 that had been road race prepped. It should have never been put back on the street but hey I was young.
I have owned many rotor cars since then but the Repu has always escaped me. It always sat in the back of my mind that one day all circumstances would align and I would acquire one. In December of 2004 they did. Purchased off of Ebay, I found one close enough and at the right price. As it turns out I should have left it in Alabama where I found it.

My 1974 Repu had a Pinto piston motor half ass installed. The floor boards are rusted through. The fender bottoms are rusted through. The windshield is cracked. The wiring is hacked and shot. The front valance is rusted. The battery box area is rusted through. The brakes are all locked up. The interior is half there and half shot. Otherwise, it is in great shape ;)

I have a long road ahead of me. I will try and keep you posted on my progress, or sometimes, lack there of.

-billy
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bwaits


Hauling
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posted July 17, 2005 01:25 PM

Disclaimer:

First off I would like to mention that some of the things I plan to do may be sacrilegious to some. Remember, I am a long time rotorhead. I have put many pre 80's Mazda back on the roads over the years. I absolutely can not bring myself to spend to kind of money some of these NOS or used Repu parts are selling for. If I find a way to do something that fits my goals, my skill sets and my wallet, That is how I will do it. Please do not send to me about "Bastardizing a Repu". This truck is lucky I found it and pulled that piston motor out. I believe just the fact that the truck will be back on the roads is justice enough.

-billy
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bwaits


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posted July 17, 2005 01:29 PM

The Plans:


Suspension plans are to replace the leaf springs with a first generation Rx7 GSL-SE rear axle using a 4 link system. This will update the braking system and wheel bolt pattern to easier to obtain parts that will function better than before. The front will consist of custom fabricated control arms to hold the front spindles from a second generation Rx7. The benefits are the same as the rear.

Wiring will be completely replaced with a painless wiring kit. I had rx2 a year or two ago that the harness burned from the battery to the dash gauges. I rebuilt that harness and I decided I want to go all new this time around.

Engine is going to be a six port 13B I have. It will be boosted and controlled by a Megasquirt ECU. Transmission is a 5 speed from a 81 to 85 rx7. The complete drive train I will use is currently in a 1979 rx7 I occasionally drive. I will use it as a platform to get all the drive train parts completed while the chassis stuff is being done.

Fuel system will be all new parts and lines. I have not decided if I will use a fuel cell or the stock tank. Nor where it will be located.

-billy
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bwaits


Hauling
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posted July 17, 2005 01:40 PM

The Purchases:

Purchases:

So far I have picked up only a few parts.
I have picked up a 74 B1600 cab that is in pretty good shape. I will use this for the patch panels I need to fix the Repu cab. I have also picked up quite a bit or the drive train parts. The MegaSuirt ECU kit is in. I need to get a few more items and I will start work on building it. This will be one of the most challenging parts of my build for me. I have chopped parts, designed parts, manufactured parts and built many things in the past but this will be my first Fuel injected project.

I picked up some S5 Lower and Upper intakes. - The upper intake I picked up on Ebay. It is brand new and complete with the VDI system. I picked it up for $13! The lower manifold I picked up from a rx7club.com member as well as a S5 turbo and manifold.

A while back I picked up a GSL-SE complete suspension swap for my first gen. I think I have decided to put the rear end under the PU.
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rotormunky


Redlining
Orlando, Florida
Posts: 424
posted July 17, 2005 03:38 PM

Dude that's totally awesome and I'm with you on the updated/improved costing less than putting it back to original.

I don't fault the restoration guys at all, I thought about it myself, but I've never been able to leave things alone. I always feel compelled to change things to how I think they should have been built in the first place.

Your truck and mine will be going thru very similar things. I'll have a new rear and front end, though I will probably have an air ride setup for versatility.

Painless kit (tho there are others out there just as good for less money so shop around) and I'll likely do a custom interior (tastefully).

THe upshot is, I'll make all my old original parts available to the community here as I replace them. That ought to placate the sticklers :)

Good luck and post a tonne of pics. I assume you have a place to put them? If not there's always room at the monkeyhouse for another REPU build project page ;)


God, getting this condo rebuilt, getting my convertible back on the road, talking trucks again... my life is finally starting to feel like my life again. w00t!


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-Martin
Orlando, Florida

http://www.themonkeyhouse.org/REPU

'77 REPU (Some assembly required :)
'91 Cabrio (Battered and bruised, but she's still my baby.)

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klaus42


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posted July 17, 2005 06:50 PM

Rock On, Billy!

I wouldn't dream of hassling you about modding out an old REPU that's in the relative shape of the one you're starting with; hell, it's appropriate, given the circumstances... just glad there's a rotary going back in, and that someone with the history and appreciation you've got is the one doing it!

Besides which, we'll all learn something along the way from your doing it your way... :)

       
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bwaits


Hauling
Posts: 119
posted July 22, 2005 06:18 AM

Progress:


The frame is completely stripped. I pressure washed the frame to remove some of the grease and grime. Once fabrication is done the frame will get a sand blasting and coating. I am tossing around the idea of wrinkle powder coating. The frame has some surface rust pits and I believe the wrinkle finish will hide it.

I decided on a ride height for the truck. I have built stanchions out of 1" Diameter steel rod that uses the body mounts in four corners to hold the frame off the ground resulting in the frame rails being horizontal to the ground at 6" ride height. This will allow me to build suspension mounts with the frame in a known spot.

The rear end choices are in the mockup stage. I have had the GSL-SE rear end under the chassis, as well as the independent from a second gen. I can not make up my mind. The choices are: 1) GSL-SE with a 4 link and Pan-Hard. 2) GSL-SE with angled top arms. 3) GLS-SE with leaf springs 4) Independent.

The solid rear axle could be done fairly easily. The chassis brackets for the front leaf eyelets and the brackets on the rear end for the stock lower arms are within .060" or each other. This means if the stock first gen lower arms were 1.5" longer and I made some bushings for the leaf spring mounts on the chassis, the rear end would bolt up. Leaving only the upper links to fabricate brackets for.

This brings me to a decision of a pan-hard bar or to angle the top links for side to side axle location. The drive shaft clearance needed would dictate the arms need to be mounted near the center of the pumpkin and angle outwards towards the front of the truck. As we all know, this arrangement enters the space where the factory gas tank is. I could move the tank where the spare tire hung underneath the bed and behind the rear end.

I could also fabricate link brackets for the rear end and run my arms forward near the chassis and use a pan-hard. This would leave room for the stock tank (slightly moved). The pan hard idea would set my roll center for the truck somewhere around the axle housing height from the ground.

Now a leaf spring setup would mean simply cutting all the brackets from the axle housing and welding on some spring pads. I could have this done and bolted up in a matter of a few hours. Seems appealing until I think about the wind up of the leaf springs under launch. Although my wife says I have begun to drive like an old lady so how much wind up would there be? I could add a top arm to the rear end on the right side and leave my tank where it is. This would eliminate the leaf spring wind up and would got together pretty simple.

Last but not least, the independent rear end. This setup would be the trickiest in my book. There is allot more fabrication involved. There would be a major amount of fixturing of the sub frame to ensure proper geometry as well.

I am going to have to ponder this a while. In the meantime I need to get the shop arrange a little bit and disassemble the cab.

-billy






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bwaits


Hauling
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posted July 22, 2005 01:55 PM
Edited By: bwaits on 22 Jul 2005 13:56







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mwpayne


Hauling
Posts: 195
posted July 22, 2005 07:56 PM

Wow, you really ARE starting from scratch almost! I am
restoring a '74 as well, and am currently coating the frame
with a product called 'zero rust'. So far, I am VERY impressed..just as durable as POR-15, but much easier to use.

Good Luck, keep the pics coming as I know I'll learn from what you're doing.

       
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bwaits


Hauling
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posted August 08, 2005 05:44 AM

Progress:

I have decided on using the GSL-SE rear axle for the rear. All brackets will be cut off the axle and new 4 link brackets will be made. I have bent a tube for the 4 link chassis mounts and fitted it within the frame rails.

I have a mockup motor and gearbox in the truck. I had to remake my engine crossmember. The last owner hacked it up to put the piston motor in. Luckily he left me just enough of the stock bracket to locate the engine forward and aft as well as side to side. I just used some spare rx7 brackets I had to fill in the rest.

The mockup motor is made from 2 scrap irons and some steel tube. I used a rear iron and a front iron with front cover and cut some tube to replace the two rotor housings and the intermediate housing. I used 3 of these tubes and 3 of the stock long bolts. I now have an engine I can pickup with one hand.

I am trying to decide on a 5 speed from a 81+ Rx7 or an old 4 speed "R" box I have. I do not know the history of the 4 speed. May not be any good.


Picks up soon.

-billy


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bwaits


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posted October 01, 2005 06:32 AM

Progress:

Engine - I have a "Mock up" engine bolted in the frame. I used some round tube and made some spacers to use between a front and rear iron. This gave me the transmission mounting pattern and a front cover mount. The last piece needed for the engine is the dynamic chamber from a S5 Rx7. All other intake related parts have been acquired. Once the Mega-Squirt is built and all parts have been acquired they will go into the 1st generation rx7 test mule.

I have to fabricate my own front engine mount using a few Rx7 units I had and the only part of the stock Repu mount the previous owner left me. About 2 Square inches.

Turned out pretty nice.

Rear end - The GLS-SE rear is set under the frame on stanchions. I bent up a new tube for the front mounts of the 4-link. I have some laser cut 4 link brackets done as well. Next I need to plasma all the stock mounts off the rear end housing and weld on my new brackets. I am waiting to obtain a drive shaft to make sure and set the rear end position and angle correctly before I weld it in place.
I may need to notch the frame a bit - We will see.

Front end - I have drawn and soon will turn some spacers that mount 2nd generation Rx7 hub and rotor to the Repu spindle. Once I do this and make a caliper bracket I can mount turbo II rotors and calipers to the front end. I will eventually fabricate some tubular control arms to replace the factory ones.

Body - I am in the process of removing all non-Repu parts from a 74 piston motor cab I picked up. Seems as though the inner fender wells, entire front section where the lights and radiator mount as well as the fire wall are different. They will be used from the original Repu. I like the look of the piston motor dash and will keep it.


-billy
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Brad


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posted October 01, 2005 09:35 AM
Edited By: Brad on 1 Oct 2005 09:37

Sweeeeeeeeet

Nice work Billy, well thought out. 4 link rear with coils will handle very well. Turbo ][ front hubs and calipers, that is so cool. If the hubs can be redrilled for REPU 6 lug bolt pattern and wheel studs you may have some customers here!!! That's an 11" rotor, 22mm thick.

If new control arms have threaded heims, that would really help out handeling. When REPU is lowered the upper control arm points up, lower horizontal to ground, really goofs up the front roll center.


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74 REPU Lawn Green
81 Rx-7 racecar. 12a J-
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posted October 02, 2005 01:14 PM

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.............

After further review, mabye it would be better to find out if the REPU rear axels can be converted to 5 x 114mm bolt pattern (5x4.5") since there are a TON of wheels available in that pattern.


       
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Hauling
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posted January 01, 2006 07:50 AM
Edited By: bwaits on 1 Jan 2006 07:55

More Progress:

The front sections of the piston motor cab that are not the same as the repu have been remove. I use my trusty "Rotor Broach" to drill out the spot welds and remove the sections. The same was done to the Repu cab to get the parts that will be grafted back to the piston cab. In shorter terms: I gutted the front of the blue cab and made way for the red parts :) Although, professionally gutted :)

The repu piece is at the sand blaster getting prepped and then it will be attached.

The GSL-SE rear axle has been separated from it's original 4 link brackets. It is a bare axle housing now. I have decided on using the leaf springs. I know, not as trick as when I first started up with ideas. The new design will work out though. The leaf springs have been torn down to just the one leaf that has the eyelets. They will be used in the stock mounting brackets but with Delrin machined bushings. This will locate the axle. I will use coil over springs and shocks to replace the other leafs.

I have obtained all the replacement parts for the front suspension and steering. The control arms have been sand blasted and painted. The front and rear should be under the truck within a few weeks. The last new part needed is the drag link. They have a part listed at my local auto parts store. From what I have read it will be to short as it is for the piston truck. I will get one and see. If it is to short I will extend it.







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eastvangord


1st Gear
Posts: 19
posted January 25, 2006 09:34 PM

Very impressive, what was the downside to the indipendant rear set up. From the pic it looked like you might have been onto something. Anyway keep up the good work!

       
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bwaits


Hauling
Posts: 119
posted January 29, 2006 07:11 AM

Good solution.........

It just did not meet up with my project.

-billy





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Very impressive, what was the downside to the indipendant rear set up. From the pic it looked like you might have been onto something. Anyway keep up the good work!

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VincenzoL


Revvin Up
Posts: 76
posted January 03, 2007 01:10 AM

Billy, any updates on your awesome build??? BTW, Happy New Years!
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bwaits


Hauling
Posts: 119
posted June 29, 2008 10:17 AM

Everything Changes, Everything the Same

Figured I would update the thread a bit. The project was on hold for a good long while. We were busy at the shop and I had found another project that needed to be done first.

With that project winding down and a nice 1976 popping up at a good price (Thanks Chad!), I decided to use it as the base truck and the other stuff as parts. It needs floor boards just as the other cab does but the rest of it was allot nicer.

So far the build has changed a bit as far as goals and such. What has stayed the same is the motor choice. 13B from a second gen with S5 intake. MegaSquirt controlled. It will not be boosted at first, maybe never. What has changed is the suspension side of the build.

The truck was completely pulled apart. The frame was stripped and bed liner coated. It is now completed and siting back on all fours. All the suspension bushings were replaced. All the ball joints were replaced. 90% of the hardware is new. Bilstein Camaro shocks from Brad's thread were used. 2" drop springs in the front. Not sure how they will work yet since I do not have all the weight on them. Had the rear leaf springs de-arched 2". New bushings. GSL-SE rear end housing was used. I cut all the 4 link brackets from it and welded on leaf spring perches. Standard Monroe rear shocks. Front brakes are TII 4 pistons using the FC 4 lug hub. The rear brakes are standard GSL-SE units.

The wheels are a 17" x 7" with a +40 offset. They have worked out perfectly with the FC front swap and GSL-SE rear swap. The overall width of the tires is 63.5" in the front and 63.250" in the rear. Nearly same as stock according to the measurement from the rear end that came out of the truck.

I have all new rubber for the cab sans the driver side door opening. All new lenses sans the front bumper - thanks to Atkins. Paint and body is next. Since I can not stand body work - it may take me a while for the next update :)

-billy
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paulsrepu


Hauling
Posts: 107
posted July 03, 2008 10:39 PM

Hi there, do you sell the adaptors to mount the FC hubs and brake calipers to the repu spindle? ALso what spring did you use.

       
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Hauling
Posts: 133
posted July 04, 2008 03:21 PM

quote:
Figured I would update the thread a bit. The project was on hold for a good long while. We were busy at the shop and I had found another project that needed to be done first.

With that project winding down and a nice 1976 popping up at a good price (Thanks Chad!), I decided to use it as the base truck and the other stuff as parts. It needs floor boards just as the other cab does but the rest of it was allot nicer.

So far the build has changed a bit as far as goals and such. What has stayed the same is the motor choice. 13B from a second gen with S5 intake. MegaSquirt controlled. It will not be boosted at first, maybe never. What has changed is the suspension side of the build.

The truck was completely pulled apart. The frame was stripped and bed liner coated. It is now completed and siting back on all fours. All the suspension bushings were replaced. All the ball joints were replaced. 90% of the hardware is new. Bilstein Camaro shocks from Brad's thread were used. 2" drop springs in the front. Not sure how they will work yet since I do not have all the weight on them. Had the rear leaf springs de-arched 2". New bushings. GSL-SE rear end housing was used. I cut all the 4 link brackets from it and welded on leaf spring perches. Standard Monroe rear shocks. Front brakes are TII 4 pistons using the FC 4 lug hub. The rear brakes are standard GSL-SE units.

The wheels are a 17" x 7" with a +40 offset. They have worked out perfectly with the FC front swap and GSL-SE rear swap. The overall width of the tires is 63.5" in the front and 63.250" in the rear. Nearly same as stock according to the measurement from the rear end that came out of the truck.

I have all new rubber for the cab sans the driver side door opening. All new lenses sans the front bumper - thanks to Atkins. Paint and body is next. Since I can not stand body work - it may take me a while for the next update :)

-billy


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